Interview with Brother Richard Daly

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Table of Contents 
  •  Problems with criminal justice system 
  •  Capital punishment legislation 
  •  Issues important to Catholic church 
  •  Disagreement within Catholic church
  •  Watch Video 1, Video 2 of "Interview with Brother Richard Daly." 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Yeah, I just remember when I first started with the conference that nobody wanted a prison in their backyard and then it became, some local communities saw them as very attractive. It creates jobs. It doesn't have anything to do with the death penalty It does have something to do with the number of incarcerated in Texas. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: I believe we have the largest prison system in the world. So there's something amidst there too in terms of—. And I know some of it has to do with mandatory sentencing but I think that the legislature has moved away from that I believe in the last couple of sessions. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Like I said I've been gone the last two sessions so I don't know all that's going on. It seems like we just have—.We don't do criminal justice well in Texas. There's not enough emphasis on rehabilitation. There's not enough emphasis on restorative justice. We have a lot of work to do on that. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And there are some wonderful people that I'm sure you're all are familiar with like Emmett Solomon,  
  •  RICHARD DALY: ..has his Restorative Justice Institute. I still get his information. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: A guy like Carroll Pickett, powerful voice about that .And -- of course my thing is I've always felt that we can identify at-risk children who are going to be someday participating in the Texas Youth Commission and eventually the Texas Department of Criminal Justice. We know where they are. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: We know what their family backgrounds are for the most part. And we're not, we have never— we need to start as early as possible to correct--  
  •  RICHARD DALY: And that to me starts with prenatal care, adequate prenatal care for at risk women, single mothers or not, whose child because of the circumstances is going to be a wonderful candidate for difficulty in school, which leads —The Appleseed Project, I'm sure you're familiar with, has done a lot of work on those children. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: I've worked closely with them over the years. So they know. And of course right now there is some legislation; I got a little bit on the edges of the session about the in-school suspensions and the in-school discipline system that -- I know, as a schoolteacher, I know that difficult, unruly, disruptive children are a problem. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: They're a problem for all the other children not just the child himself or herself or the teacher. But it does seem that we should be able to find better ways of dealing with these kids at that point so that they don't end up in the criminal justice system. There's lots of experts out there. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Jodie Smith at Texans Care [for Children]. I'm sure you're familiar with the Coalition for Juvenile Justice Reform and I've kind of been on the edges of that group on behalf of, in regards to my work on Catholic Charities. And by the way that's another group of people that deals with these kids one at a time. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: I mean that is remarkable. But I just say, you, we need to get at the situation in the beginning. It's kind of like social service. It's okay to have direct social service. You have Catholic social teaching says somebody's hungry you feed them, if they're homeless you give them shelter and all the rest of it. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: But while you're doing that, which is all described in Matthew 25, my favorite scripture quote, well while you're doing all that, you also have to look over here at the cause of why they're homeless, why they're hungry, why are they in prison. It seems that no state has got it right, but we seem to have it less right than most states. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And the evidence is the large prison population that we have.And the significant, the very large percentage of, that you know better than I, of African-American males in Texas, who are in the criminal justice system, either on parole or probation or actually incarcerated. So there's something wrong. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: We're not dealing with this at-risk population as early as possible and like I say it starts with prenatal care. Making sure that every kid's mom has a chance. 
  •  CRAFTS: So can you talk a little bit about your work with the Appleseed Project? You said you were on the outskirts of some of these organizations. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Yeah. Well it seems like my recollection is that Appleseed was the key, a key actor in the adequate defense fund initiative. Senator Ellis was the sponsor for sure in the Senate and it seems to me that maybe Garnett Coleman was the sponsor in the House, or Terry Hodge. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: But anyway it seems to me that the Appleseed Project, the people with the Appleseed Project were the lead groups, the lead people in getting that legislation enacted. And I just came— Catholic Charities people asked me to kind of pay a little bit of attention to the juvenile justice issues this session. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: My teaching schedule at St. Ed's made it pretty difficult to attend very many meetings and hearings but I did go to one that, where they were talking about the school issues, the in-school discipline issues that were making some children more likely to get involved, go directly from school into the Texas Youth Commission network and then eventually into the Texas Department of Criminal— 
  •  RICHARD DALY: T.D.C. J. network.Rebecca Lightsey, I've known Rebecca at Appleseed since she was, I don't know who she was with, but anyway she's—It's been so many years and people change jobs so I can't remember who's with what but the faces are all the same down there. 
  •  CRAFTS: Right, right. In terms of—you talked about the large prison population—Earlier you talked about trying to get deacons into prisons. Was that ever a problem, having enough people? 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Oh, it's always a problem. It's always a problem. We talked about Bishop McCarthy. Bishop McCarthy wanted a Catholic presence in every incarceration facility in the Diocese of Austin, which is like twenty-two, twenty-three, or twenty-four counties. And he appointed a deacon here. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: His name is Deacon Doots Dufour, E. Generes Dufour. And they wanted every jail, every county jail, city jail, state prison, federal facility, I don't even know if we have any federal facilities besides the Hutto Unit in the Diocese of Austin. But it's always a challenge and there's very few full time people in the criminal justice ministry. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: So they rely on volunteers. And it's not like teaching second graders first communion. That's a different ministry, that's a ministry that could be kind of attractive. But going to visit criminals in jail, incarcerated is a little tougher. Yeah, there's never enough people. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And the people who are really committed to it are terribly overworked; they're in great danger of burnout. It's like the young college graduates who go into probation work. Burnout rate is incredible. Criminal justice ministry is just a difficult ministry. There's always a problem getting enough people. 
  •  CRAFTS: You talked about earlier, or maybe before we began, about there being many statements against the death penalty from the bishops. Can you talk about those different statements? 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Well, the big one in seventy-nine just saying, We're against it. The we -- this is all from memory. We, they did write one, well, if you're gonna have the death penalty, at least don't execute the mentally retarded, or the people who are mentally ill, which we do in Texas, as you know. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Don't execute people who were juveniles at the time of the offense, and there's all kinds of scientific evidence about brain development and all that sort of thing. Napoleon Beazley's case. The life without – I'm sure they issued a statement in favor of life without parole. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: I know that they did a statement on the adequate defense initiative to make sure that everybody that's accused of a capital case, who is accused of a capital crime, is not being represented in court by a real estate lawyer, or a lawyer who's going to fall asleep during a trial, or a lawyer who's not going to file appeals on a timely basis, at least. Terrible situations that we're all familiar with. 
  •  CRAFTS: Okay. And you mentioned also that you think that the Catholic community recently has become more anti-death penalty. And why do you think that is? 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Well, I think that the advocates are doing a better of explaining -- I mean people like your organization, and the Texas Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty, and Charlie and Pauline Sullivan. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: I mean people have been –- the advocates for abolition have just gotten better organized, I mean, you never have enough money or resources, but there's a lot more of us. Thirty-five years ago when I started this, I couldn't name anybody at the legislature other than the Sullivans with CURE, and maybe the [Texas] Civil Liberties Union. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: John Duncan was the guy in charge of it at the time. Well, I think that's it. I think it was CURE and Civil Liberties Union and the Catholic Conference were the only, to my recollection, the only organizations that were there. It wasn't an easy issue to lobby. There weren't many death penalty opponents in the legislature. 
  •  LYDIA CRAFTS: Can you talk about lobbying? Or can you talk about trying to get legislation passed – 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Well in those days, it was simply trying to get a conversation going. You know. One of the things the Sullivans – You know, they didn't start out trying to abolish the death penalty. They started out trying to help prisoners. Like I can remember them talking about something as simple as families being able to provide fans in the cells. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Conjugal visits. I remember that was one of their big, big issues in the early days. Telephone rights, being able to go to a phone and call somebody collect. Well, the Sullivans started out their whole enterprise with the transportation system. They were in San Antonio before they came to Austin. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And as you know, as we just said, all the units were within twenty-five miles of Huntsville, but the people were incarcerated from Bexar County and Dallas County. So they began organizing buses to take the loved ones, the families, who typically were poor people, who didn't have vehicles and couldn't get there. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: So that's how CURE got started, was transporting families to visit their loved ones who were incarcerated in East Texas.So I couldn't tell you when we actually started talking about abolition. And of course, Jessica Farrar has an bill, an abolition bill this session. I don't know, you can help me, did they get, did they have a hearing on that bill? 
  •  HINZ-FOLEY: Mmm-hmm. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: They did? 
  •  HINZ-FOLEY: Mmm-hmm. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Good. Well, that's a breakthrough! Having a hearing on a death penalty bill. 
  •  HINZ-FOLEY: Yeah. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Well, you've got people like Jessica, and some others, you know, some -- Lon Burnam. Wants to impeach Judge Keller. So. I don't know. I'd have to go back and refresh my memory on when we did what, but it was pretty -- 
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  •  CRAFTS: Right. I mean there are public officials who are Catholic and against the death penalty. What kinds of thing you do? Do you reach out to them or do try to – 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Well, my relationship to Catholics in the legislature, I always try to – they're over a third in the legislature, or were when I left -- I used to keep track of that, how many Baptists and how many Catholics and we were always within two or three of each other.And by the way, the Baptists were good on this issue, too. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: I worked with all of the directors of the Christian Life Commission, starting with Jim Dunn through Phil Strickland and then Suzy Painter, who is a remarkable woman, I don't know if you've had any dealings with Suzy, but she's the executive director of the Christian Life Commission of the Baptist General Convention of Texas. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Catholics in the legislature were across the political spectrum. And I would say that being the representative of the bishops -- it's like a political action committee -- it gave, got me some access, usually, but not necessarily a vote. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And you know, there's some phenomenon because that people think the Catholic Church has only a couple of issues, and abortion, I mean the death penalty is not one of them, and so really conservative legislators were always welcoming because they knew that they were pro-life and the bishops were pro-life and so were --- 
  •  RICHARD DALY: and they were in favor of parental choice in education, and the bishops were in favor of parental choice in education.And some, on the other end, some progressive members, Catholics, tended to be African American and Hispanic, were a little nervous when the representative of the bishops came around, because they were afraid that that's what they wanted to talk about, was parental choice in education, which of course is code for vouchers, and abortion issues. Life issues. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: But I usually got a hearing, and got to meet -- 
  •  RICHARD DALY: My drill, every session, was to go meet all the new members, which included all the new Catholic members. And at the beginning of the session I would also then, go to meet all the Catholics who were returning, to try to talk about the bishops' agenda for that session. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And you try to get to know as many members as you can, all hundred and eighty one of them, but that's a lot for one person. But I would definitely go around and try to visit with the member or a key staff person of the incoming, the freshmen. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And then I would make it a point at the beginning of each session to go visit with all the Catholics. But after a couple of sessions, I would know the Catholics. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: There would be other occasions, we would try to have a breakfast, or a priest or bishop to give the invocation at the beginning of the session, and all the Catholics would cluster around, and I was sometimes trying to facilitate that.But they were across the political spectrum. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: I used to give an example – go from Will Hartnett to Jessica Farrar, Catholics in the legislature. Tom Craddick to -- name somebody who was a leader in -- Jim Pitts. Jim Pitts is a Catholic. Republican. But contested, you know.But the fact that they were Catholic didn't mean that we necessarily had their vote. On anything. 
  •  CRAFTS: Right. Right. I've heard some people say that in terms of the Catholic Church and the death penalty, that abortion has been -- that the death penalty issue has been sort of overshadowed by the abortion issue. What would you say to that, that the Catholic Church is not focused as much on the death penalty as some of these other issues? 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Oh, historically, that's definitely true. I mean, think about it. Nineteen ninety two, Catechism of the Catholic Church is changed. Pope John Paul wrote an encyclical called "the Gospel of Life," just before that, and he did talk about all the life issues, but that was the first time the death penalty was included in a major papal teaching -- we call those encyclicals – letters sent to the whole Church around the world. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: But yeah. Everybody knew the Catholic Church was against abortion. Most people did not know until recently that it's against the death penalty. And that's been a contentious thing within the Church.Of course, we owe a lot to the deceased, saintly former Cardinal Archbishop of Chicago Joseph Bernadin, who established the language we call "the consistent ethic of life." 
  •  RICHARD DALY: For a Catholic, life is sacred from beginning to end and everything in between, which is why clean water is a pro-life issue. The environment is a pro-life issue. I tell my students, the child in West Lake Hills and the child in Baghdad is equal in the eyes of God. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Cardinal Bernadin took a lot of heat for that, cause there a lot of people, people who call themselves "pro-life" but who also think the death penalty is appropriate, if they're a single-issue person like that, they can get pretty nasty. And they don't shy away from attacking people like cardinals and archbishops and bishops and Catholic Conference directors, and anybody. 
  •  CRAFTS: Within the Church? 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Oh yeah, sure, yeah. There's --- we could go on for hours talking about that. But I do think it's changing, as I've said. More people are beginning to understand why the Church is for life in all of its stages of development and that no matter how heinous a crime was committed, this is still a child of God, this bad guy on Death Row. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And we also believe in forgiveness and repentance in the Catholic Church, in the Catholic tradition. And there's no forgiveness and no redemption once the person has been executed, there's no way-Reverend Pickett wanted this person who had killed his friend to say he was sorry, and he didn't. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And that was a terrible blow to Reverend Pickett that he talked about the other night. But I think we're getting there. 
  •  CRAFTS: Have you ever had to deal with that, people questioning you, why you were against the death penalty? 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Yeah, sure. During those thirty two years I gave a lot of talks in a lot of different parts of the state and we would talk about the whole agenda of the bishops. And yeah, there were people that were unhappy. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: I would say not very often were they disrespectful, but a couple of times, there were some people who were out of line, and usually everybody else in the audience comes to my defense. Sometimes it's nice to have somebody attacking you, because you've suddenly made thirty or forty friends over here. Yeah, it happens. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: The Catholic Church is a very big tent. James Joyce said, regarding the Catholic Church, Here comes everyone. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: So, like I say, Catholics in the legislature across the spectrum. And a lot of -- over the years -- a lot of African Americans and Hispanics. I attribute that to the Catholic school system. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: There's an awful lot of men and women who have served in the legislature that I know that are African American, who if you go back and look at their backgrounds, they had a chance because they were able to go to a Catholic school or a private school, because that's another issue where we don't do well in Texas in terms of public education. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: We don't provide an equal educational opportunity for every child, which is related to the criminal justice system, as we said before.So the bishops of Texas were always in favor of parental choice in education, which could translate into textbooks or bus rides or vouchers or whatever, but during the time I worked for the Conference, any time a bishop was asked to take a position on a bond issue to benefit public schools, he was in favor of it. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And Archbishop Flores was especially strong on that in Bexar County. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: So you know, we don't do well in health and human services in Texas and that includes public education. We have an unequal system. The quality of the education of a child in Texas is dependent on the wealth of the district in which he or she lives, not on the wealth of the entire state. And that's a problem. 
  •  LYDIA CRAFTS: Right. As executive director, you also had, I read, to deal with, I read, a sharp increase in the number of Catholics in the state in your term. Is that accurate? 
  •  RICHARD DALY. Well, yeah. I didn't have to deal with it. 
  •  CRAFTS: Yeah. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Are you reading the N.C.R. article that John Allen wrote? 
  •  CRAFTS: Yeah. Yeah. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: That wasn't a problem for me. That was a problem for the bishops, because the bishops had to deal with the issue of a rapidly growing Catholic population in Texas from elsewhere. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: In-migration, from the south and from the north. And at the same time that the Catholic Church was facing a significant decline in the number of ordained priests, and so there's a great need for many new parishes, but there's no priests to staff ‘em. So that was a problem for the bishops of Texas. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: It didn't affect me. It gave me a wider audience, for whenever I would send out information, all those years, all those thirty-two years, I wrote a column in the Catholic newspapers of Texas on whatever the issues were that the bishops were concerned about. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And I have to say that as I moved around the state giving talks, more people knew me as the author of this column called "Capitol Comments" than anything else. It was amazing. In fact, I still run into people who want to know if I'm still writing my column. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: But the growth gave me a wider audience, if anyone was paying attention. Now, there's not, the Catholic Conference is not something that a lot of people get up in the morning thinking about- other than me and the bishops.[ . . . withheld]. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: So, it was interesting to watch. Since I was involved in virtually all the ministries of the Church – Catholic Charities, Family Life, Pro-Life, Campus Ministry, you know, Mission Activity, Catholic schools – and as I would meet with the people involved in all these ministries, I could see that they were wrestling with it. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: How are we going to deal with more people who need counseling? More people who need marriage preparation? More children, more education for baptizing children? Just the number of people who want to join the Church. The Catholic Church is not declining; it's increasing. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And I say south and north. You know, tremendous inmigration, legal and illegal. But you know I heard a number, when American Airlines and J.C. Penney moved their corporate headquarters from New York to Dallas, I heard the number of Catholics who moved to Dallas, and it was tens of thousands.That was a problem for the bishops. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: It wasn't a big problem for me. I didn't have to find any priests for the parishes. 
  •  CRAFTS: Oh, okay. Do you have any questions? 
  •  HINZ-FOLEY: I was wondering if maybe you could talk about how you relate personally to the dysjunction in the Catholic community relating to the death penalty? How do you think about that maybe theologically, socially, how you feel about that or what you envision happening? 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Well I had a standard or stock answer to that. I always said that it was – I'm a Gemini -- and Geminis deal, evidently deal - I don't believe in that all too much- but Geminis have, I've been told that Geminis deal with ambiguity better than most people. 
  •  HINZ-FOLEY: Mmm-hmm. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And I'm – I'm not a black and white person. I don't believe that anyone at either end of the political spectrum is correct, and I say that about theology and social justice issues. I think in society, since we live in community, since we have a basic principle of Catholic social teaching that is solidarity that we are all one human family and we all got to get along, that we need to work in the middle. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And I was always able to do that.Now there were people at both ends who were usually unhappy with me. There are people who think that the only public policy issue the bishops should be concerned about are the life issues, specifically abortion. And, well, it's an issue we are concerned about. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: But there are other issues, too. Like I said, clean water and clean air is a pro-life issue. Good public education is a life issue, because it's going to determine what kind of a life that child is going to have down the road. So. You know.I guess I probably got, tended to get all uptight about that the first five or ten years. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: But if you can last in something like that for thirty-two years- you are either not doing very well, or you are amenable to differences of opinion. Been in a lot of tough arguments, but, generally walked away. There's only a few people over those years, there's just a few people that I would say we decided we didn't want to have to deal with each other any more. And that's the way it is. 
  •  CRAFTS: Anything else? 
  •  HINZ-FOLEY: Maybe just if you could speak to, you talked about how the bishops would have to come to a compromise when they issued these statements because not all the bishops were on the same page – 
  •  RICHARD DALY: No. Most of the time, most of the time there was no compromise necessary. 
  •  HINZ-FOLEY: Okay. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Most of the bishops, most of the statements the bishops made, when they addressed an issue --- that example I gave at the very beginning in 1979 on the death penalty, that one bishop that was against it – but when they came around to talking about farm workers or quality public education or quality health care or the Children's Health Insurance Program, there was no disagreement. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: They were-because, you know back in their dioceses, they have people working on all these issues in their dioceses, and so they're hearing from their Catholic Charities directors, their Catholic Social Action directors, their Jail and Prison Ministry, so they're getting --- 
  •  RICHARD DALY: I'm just the guy at the state level, kind of the conduit between all those people at the local level and the bishops, going to be the spokesperson at the legislature. 
  •  So they're, I would say that they're very few – I can only think of one other issue and I don't really want to get into it because it has to do with very complicated end-of-life issues, you know the Church's position, and things like living wills and durable power of attorney for health care, the Catholic bishops of Texas were among the first bishops in the United States to get into those issues. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Durable power of attorney for health care. Living wills. And they were really on the cutting edge and that really wasn't because of me; it was because of a priest by the name of William Broussard who was running the Catholic Health Association of Texas, and was also working with the Catholic Conference. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And was able to bring in moral ethicists from around the country to really work on that issue. The other issue he really worked on was labor issues within Catholic hospitals. That has really been a testy issue. The Catholic Church's position on labor has been that workers have a right to organize. That goes back to an encyclical called "Rerum Novarum" in eighteen ninety-two, coming at -- after the beginning of industrial revolution. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: The Catholic Church is very clear that workers have rights and they have rights to organize. They have responsibilities, too. But sometimes even the Church has tried to prevent people from organizing. 
  •  HINZ-FOLEY: Hmmm. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: -- Catholic schoolteachers in some cities. And it's been a big issue. Well, it's been an issue in the last twenty years in some Catholic health facilities trying to stop organizing among nurses or staff and so on. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And Monsignor Broussard, Bill Broussard, was able to bring the Catholic conference, the Catholic hospitals, the bishops – and of course there the bishops are on the side of the workers – and to develop an agreement that we don't do strikebreaking, we don't do union busting in Catholic health facilities. Were we a hundred percent successful? No. But I think the track record is pretty good. 
  •  HINZ-FOLEY: Is there anything you'd like to say for the public record, or anything that you'd like to talk about that we haven't asked? 
  •  RICHARD DALY: I don't think there's anything I haven't said for the public record. It's just like a – 
  •  CRAFTS: Why did you decide to step down a few years ago? 
  •  RICHARD DALY: Well, I just decided – in a couple of weeks I'll be seventy. When I first started thinking about doing something different, I was sixty-five, which is a magic number. And when I was sixty-six, I gave the bishops a year's notice, and so I retired at sixty-seven, three years ago. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: I just decided that this is a job for a younger person. I was thirty-five when I went to work for the Conference and forty when I became executive director, and I had a lot of energy and I could run up and down those stairs. Now I go down there and spend two or three hours walking around and I come home exhausted. I just think, there comes a time when there's a need for some new blood. 
  •  CRAFTS: Yeah. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: So that's what I decided. I think it was the right decision. People have asked me if I miss it. I miss people. I miss some of the colleagues. And when I go down there – I think I've been down there this session six or seven times, doing some – I have students. I teach a class in legislative process and lobbying at St. Ed's. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: And the students, there's forty of them in this class, too many, and we don't have class – we only have class every other week for the last six weeks of the semester. And they're supposed to spend their time at the Capitol. So I'm there with them a bit. I also supervise interns, so I've had some interns down there. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: So I've been down there.Plus Catholic Charities asked me to do some work for them. But boy - it's, it's a lot busier than it used to be. Some of the – but I miss some of the people, and I run into them occasionally down there. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: There's still some folks around, a lot, in fact.I also decided, it came to me, that when I started this work, this ministry, whatever, I was always the youngest guy in the room – then I ended up being the oldest guy in the room. So. That's a sign. That's a sign from heaven. 
  •  CRAFTS: And you enjoy teaching? 
  •  RICHARD DALY: I enjoy teaching, yeah. I tell people if you really want to get, feel a little more optimistic about things, come and meet our students at St. Ed's. They're not all angels -but- they're --- And this year I had two classes. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: One was mainly freshmen, sophomores, a class in Catholic social teaching, which I call Abrahamic social teaching, because I think the Abrahamic traditions all have the same views. And then I was teaching seniors in this legislative process and lobbying class. Juniors and seniors, mainly seniors. 
  •  RICHARD DALY: They're really different dynamics --- first of all, these are all political science majors who live and breathe this stuff, and about fifteen of the forty are actually at the Capitol, and the other, these are mainly freshmen who just started out their college career. So it's great.- End of interview - 
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Title:Interview with Brother Richard Daly
Abstract:Brother Richard Daly went to work for the Texas Catholic Conference, the legislative advocacy group representing Catholic bishops, in 1974. In Video 1, Brother Daly talks about his work against the death penalty and for prison reform, work largely inspired by Pauline and Charlie Sullivan who founded Citizens United for Rehabilitation of Errants (CURE). By the end of the 1970s, the Catholic bishops of Texas came out against the death penalty and the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (now the National Conference of Bishops) publized a statement against the death penalty shortly thereafter. Brother Daly also describes his visits to Death Row, prison ministries, Father, and later Bishop, McCarthy, and the legislative positions of the Texas Catholic Conference. In Video 2, Brother Daly describes the organizing and activism by the United Farm Workers (UFW) and the Texas Farm Workers Union (TFWU), César Chávez, and human rights-oriented priests and bishops, most especially that of late Archbishop Patricio Flores of San Antonio. In Video 3, Brother Daly returns to a discussion about the death penalty; shares his admiration for the late Cardinal Archbishop of Chicago Joseph Bernadin; and discusses contradictions with the Catholic Church, including the Church's relationship to a variety of social justice issues. This interview took place on May 1, 2009 at St. Edward's University in Austin, Travis County, Texas.
Sequence:3 of 3
  • Richard DalyRole: Narrator
  • Texas After Violence ProjectRole: Collaborator
  • Lydia CraftsRole: Interviewer
  • Sabina Hinz-FoleyRole: Videographer
  • Emmanuel TomesRole: Transcriber
  • Virginia Marie RaymondRole: Transcriber
  • Virginia Marie RaymondRole: Proofreader
  • Maurice ChammahRole: Proofreader
Date Created:2009/05/01
Type of Resource:Moving image
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