Interview with Ruth Marín-Eason

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  •  Boatman, Dianna 
  •  Bush, George 
  •  DiaSiala 
  •  Díaz-Ayala, Arnulfo 
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  •  Raúl, Jr. 
  •  Rhoda 
  •  Rhonda 
  •  Samuel 
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  •  SABINA HINZ-FOLEY: Thank you so much for agreeing to do the interview with us today. It's June twentieth, 2009. We're in—is this Spring, Texas? 
  •  RUTH MARÍN-EASON: Spring, yeah. 
  •  HINZ-FOLEY: In Spring, Texas with Ruth Marín-Eason. My name is Sabina Hinz-Foley and I'll be interviewing. Kim will be doing the camera work, Kim Bacon. All right and just to have it on tape, you consent to this interview? I know we signed the consent form already, but okay. 
  •  RUTH MARÍN-EASON: Yes, yes I did. 
  •  HINZ-FOLEY: Perfect, all right. Just to start off can you tell us a little bit about your background, maybe where you're from, your family, growing up, kind of what brought you to Spring? 
  •  RUTH MARÍN-EASON: Oh, I was born and raised in Corpus Christi, Texas. I lived there for twenty years with my family. Got married and went to Kokomo, Indiana and I had three of my children that were born in Indiana. Rhonda, the oldest, and Raúl, Jr. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: He died when he was three days for nine months with crib death and then I had Raúl, which is my third child. He was a lot of fun. If you didn't want to laugh or smile Raúl would always have something. Make you a funny face or something to get your attention. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: Make me mad and then he'd want to dance with me. He was like that with me and his sisters. Always kind of joking around and doing something.Then I had my youngest daughter, Rhoda, was born here in Houston and I came here. Raúl was three years old, it was 1971 and I've been in Houston since seventy-one. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: In November, my daughter bought this house in Spring, Texas, which is right on the outskirts of Houston and this is where I reside now. I've had a very good life for quite a while. The worst part of my life was when I found out that my son had been murdered. It's a totally new life now. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: It's turned my life around. In fact, for myself, I consider I don't really have a life because I focus a lot on what was done to my son and try to help other families go through this journey that nobody deserves to go through. Raúl was number one tennis player in MacArthur for a long time. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: He loved playing tennis. He was always going jogging. We did a lot of things together as a family. The last time that I saw Raúl alive was on May thirtieth, 1998. He came to Houston and we had a cookout, and he's cooking and throwing the chicken skins to the dogs and saying he's going to give them that salmonella. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I mean, but that was him—always doing something. He was married for ten years, had four boys. When he graduated from MacArthur he went to Spartan, wanted to study air traffic controller. And when he met the woman he married, he changed and she kind of talked him into joining the military, which he did. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: He joined the Air Force and was in it for ten years, the same ten years he was married to her. I had been in vacation with my second husband to Cancún, August of 1998. I got home on the third of August and then August the fourth was the last time I talked to Raúl. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: He sounded kind of low and depressed so I called my oldest daughter and said I don't know what's going on, he doesn't—it doesn't sound right. She made a phone call to him and kind of told Raúl that he needed to—that she knew that they were having marital problems and that he needed to get on his knees and ask God to help him and get his life straightened out. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: Her—his answer to her was, I trust God, I believe in God, the one I don't trust is Dianna. Dianna Boatman was his wife. She's from Oklahoma and she's the one that he didn't trust. The next morning, we get a phone call that Raúl had been murdered. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: And that it was, they thought it was a robbery. The house was ransacked. But Rhonda was the first one to know. When Dianna notified—they notified her or she notified the authorities, it was that she gave my old address knowing that I had been divorced for ten years. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: She gave the house that I used to live which is where my daughter was and that's how she got the information. When I did get the information from the authorities, they came, the Air Force came to my home, to my second house, my second marriage asking for Mr. and Mrs. Marín, and I know that it was purposefully done by her, giving my name is Marín when she knew that I was Eason. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: It's been a very hard journey to travel because in my heart the minute I found out that Raúl was murdered, my mother instincts were that she was involved and nobody believed me. I continued having to be nice to her for a whole year and four days because she was not arrested until a year and four days later. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: But I never trusted her; I recorded conversations. All the conversations that were recorded, I would keep a copy. I have the original copies and I sent copies to the detectives. Nobody else believed that she was involved, but it was just a gut feeling. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: And they arrested her when the trial for the murderer was—Arnulfo Díaz-Ayala was the murderer. He is, was her lover and he worked for Raúl and Dianna in their computer store. So I never met the man, but when they had the pre-hearings and I went to court, just sitting there, I guess the mother instinct in me, and I pointed him out. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I said I have a feeling that the third guy sitting coming from the judge's side toward me—I said I have a feeling he's the one that murdered my son. I had never seen him, I had never met him. It was just a feeling that I had. And when they called his name, it was him. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: So I feel that sometimes we as parents or as moms have this feeling inside of us that everybody else thinks we're crazy, but it's just our mother instinct that guides us through this. I went to his pre-trials for a whole year. I'd drive to San Antonio and sit there and it might be ten minutes, fifteen minutes and they reset it and I'd come back to Houston. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: It was a constant thing for a whole year. They were supposed to start his trial and it was a year and four days after Raul's murder and Dianna Boatman-Marín had come to San Antonio to give her impact statement and that is when she was arrested for the murder of my son. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: So then his trial was put aside and they started working on her trial. And it was the same thing. She was arrested. They put a very high bond on her and she finally came out with the bond money, but she was on a monitor and it was hell all over again. Raúl was murdered August the fifth of ninety-eight. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: August the twenty-nineth would have been his thirtieth birthday. I went to San Antonio to do a candlelight vigil. Dianna and her friend that she was staying with in the neighborhood called the police and said that we were trying to burn down the house. We were only having a candlelight vigil for my son. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I had several friends, neighbors that had come and every time that it was his birthday or anniversary, I'd drive to San Antonio and light a candle. But it seemed that all the time that she was out before her trial, my candlelight vigil was always interrupted by the law because she would call and said that I was there breaking in or tearing up the house. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: It's something that I would not wish on my worst enemy—the hell that this woman had put me through. Nobody deserves that. Finally the time came when her trial started. I was not allowed in the courthouse or in the court. I had a hotel there in San Antonio. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: The only one that was allowed to be in there was my youngest daughter, Rhoda. And she had to sit there for almost three weeks listening to all the conning and things that Raúl's wife Dianna had done. It was tearing her apart because they give you the—where you cannot talk about the trial, you cannot tell anybody, she could not watch the news. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: It hurt me so much to see her go through all that and nobody else being able to be there. I thank God that there are the groups of Parents of Murdered Children. Some of the mothers did attend the court with Rhoda and supported her and she'd go out by the pool and make phone calls, just to talk to someone because she couldn't talk to me or my other daughter, Rhonda, because Rhonda had testified on Dianna's trial. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: So it's a journey that nobody should have to take because we don't never think that we're going to be burying our children, but it does happen. It's one of the most painful things that anyone can endure. You can lose your mom and dad and it's painful, your husband, a brother, but when you lose your child it's part of you that's gone. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: That is something that—August the fifth will be eleven years since Raúl's murder, but to me it's just like it was yesterday. I live with this pain. I continue my journey that I did not choose, I was forced to take. I just have to speak for Raúl because they silenced his voice, but they didn't silence mine. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: And I will continue doing the same things, talking about Raúl, until the day that I die. And hopefully after I die, my daughter Rhoda can continue speaking for her brother because Raúl didn't deserve to die the way he did. I know there was a lot of things going on with parents of military guys. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: There was a woman protesting President Bush's ranch. She used to make me real mad because—not that I wanted my son dead. I would rather see my son die fighting for our country than being butchered and killed the way Raúl was murdered. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I used to watch her on T.V. and I'd get so upset because I'd say, if her son had been murdered, like mine, she would think differently of our military people because they are giving their lives for our freedom to help us—to help their country. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: And my son was serving his country but the decision of his wife to have him murdered for the insurance money took him away from us. He had a lot of achievements that he completed in the military. When we were going through this trial, I was mad at the military also because when I'd ask questions, they would tell me, this uniform, I can't talk to you. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I cannot tell you because in the state of Texas, Raúl was legally married and they had to—the wife was first. A lot of things happened that it just ripped me apart because I felt like, I'm only the mom, am I not something to Raúl? But being married everything had to go through her. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: Not just the pain of losing my son, also when we had a viewing, I had to fight to view my son. She knew who it was because she had him killed and her lover told her that it was Raúl. I had to fight at the medical examiner's office. I had to fight the funeral home. I want that casket open. I want to see that it's my son, not just like the police call him, an unidentified body. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: She was satisfied with that because the murderer did call her and told her, the job is done. My son was referred to by her as, "fix my lawnmower." It was her codeword between her and the murderer. When I think of all the stuff that this woman has done, it's very painful. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: The trial lasted three weeks, but I was still being harassed by her family. It was a constant fight trying to visit with my grandchildren. They were—her mother was getting custody of my grandchildren. There's four boys that Raúl had. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: She has a daughter by a previous marriage, but she was not on Raúl's insurance. She doesn't get money like the four boys. So I will never understand why a grandmother would put this child in an institution because she had cerebral palsy. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: And in my thinking, in my way, that because she didn't get no money off of Elizabeth, they put her in an institution. All she wanted was the four boys because that's where the money was coming from. Until the day that I die, I feel that this was not just my daughter-in-law's conspiracy, but a whole family conspiracy because they knew what she had done, they knew what she wanted, and they got what they wanted. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: Because the insurance money was paid almost three and a half years after Raúl's murder. And they say money's evil but it's not money, it's the love of money and I guess some women do whatever they can to get all of that money. You know a lot of cases couples don't get along and divorce is an option. But the money wasn't in the divorce. It was in being a widow. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: My life is turned upside down. There's not a day that goes by that I don't think about Raúl. And we have other children, but that one that's gone is never gonna be replaced. It's just a void that you have in you that no one else can fill. And there's really—people try to tell you to get on with your life. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I feel we go on, but that void will always be there because there's really not much that we can do. When it happens, you want to die with them, you want to be gone, but it doesn't happen that way. It's just something that we have to carry with us and continue. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: Sometimes I get on the computer and go on my son's website and just pour my heart out. I've never wrote anything in my life, but after Raúl's murder, I have wrote several things. The pain and the hurt that a parent feels and what we go through. There's nothing that anybody can say or do to ease that pain. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: The only one that can help us is God to continue on and ease the pain, but it doesn't go away. It's a very hard journey that nobody deserves to travel, but it happens every day, every second. That's all you hear is somebody murdered somebody. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: And my feeling is, until they do something about this crime, it won't stop, but it'll slow it down is when somebody takes somebody's life, they need to take their life, too. And it is my personal feeling that it would slow it down because people would be scared. "If I kill someone, they're gonna kill me." 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: But it doesn't happen that way because the criminals have all the rights. We see it day by day. We go to courts and sit in different trials. The criminals have the rights. Well I was just in a trial a couple of weeks ago and the lady that had been murdered, her family was there and they sat at the witness stand and was trying to speak and only another mother knows the pain she's feeling, what she's going through. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: And then you see her defense attorney go in there and mock and sitting there pretending to be a victim, made a mockery out of a lot of victims. I couldn't help myself. I did confront him and I told him, you did not just slap this family, but every victim that has lost a child to murder. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: Sitting there and mocking us is a slap in the face to all victims. And he crossed a line. At the moment I wanted to go slap him because I was so angry, but we have to respect the courts. As victims, we don't have rights. We cannot show emotion. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: One of this girl that was murdered, her best friend that worked with her for several years, her husband put his arm around her, just to comfort her on what was being said. And the bailiff came and told her to get his arm off of her. He couldn't even put his arm around her. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: And that is how victims are treated. And yet the murderer sits there, his attorney rubbing his back, and that's okay. The defense attorney throws a fit and she starts crying and it was okay. But let one of the victims just cry a little bit, they ask them to leave the court. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: They call it justice. It's criminal justice—it's for the criminals because being a victim you don't have very many rights. And it's very upsetting to a lot of us that go through this, not just on our own trials, but seeing other families be victimized by the criminal justice. And we've come a long way. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: They're letting some of them sit in the courts. But I don't understand, I never will, how they run their criminal justice. It's very painful because once you go through this, you have to go and relive everything. Some families are waiting. They're overturning a lot of the convictions. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: Not on innocence, but on technicality. They didn't word it right, so here we go again. Live that pain all over again because I feel they're trying to get all the criminals out. And lock the good people—people that are working, have jobs, are the ones that are thrown in jail for long periods of time. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: And you can commit a crime, murder a person, be charged with capital murder and get probation, but they call it justice. We as victims call it—it's criminal justice. It's made for the criminals. Where is the justice for the victims. I don't think that they have any. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: And they can study all they want to, they can do whatever, but the pain of a mom, only another mother would know what we go through. [Door opens] 
  •  HINZ-FOLEY: I was wondering, you mentioned that you couldn't be in at the trial, or Dianna's trial. Was that because you had to testify, or— 
  •  RUTH MARÍN-EASON: They subpoenaed me, but all that they wanted me to do was say that I was Raúl's mother. It was nothing for or against the trial. Dianna had put a lawsuit against the D.A. in San Antonio because she felt she was a leukemia patient and she was in jail and they were not feeding her properly. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: And that was the excuse that they gave me that because she was making such a fuss of everything, all lies. When we found out, they said they did a medical exam on her, she was never a leukemia patient. It was stories that she'd made. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I found just a little piece of notepaper where my son had been looking up that kind of leukemia that she claimed to have. Just looking at the piece of paper makes me so angry that my son believed everything she said. She was never a leukemia patient. She claims to have named my grandson Samuel. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: My brother died of leukemia. His name was Samuel, and she named the last child that her and Raúl had Samuel because of her sickness. And when I found out that she was never sick with that, it's very upsetting that my son really believed her. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: Everything that this woman ever told us were lies and they continued when she was locked up and my grandkids were with her mother. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I had to spend all my retirement. We invested a lot of money in attorneys just to get visitations with my grandkids. When the grandkids would visit, they'd tell us that they were not allowed to talk about their dad, only bad things, and the grandparents would tell them, this is how your dad was, this is what they did. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: But there was never any records or anything showing that Raúl was abusive. That was her excuse that she gave, that Raúl abused her. When the murderer testified for those three weeks, that whole week he was asked if he ever saw any bruises on her or the kids. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: He said no, he just believed what she said because she manipulated a lot of people. And to have people believe that you have a disease that you've never had, you're a very big damn liar, to make people feel sorry for you. I started going to the group of Parents of Murdered Children. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I had the opportunity to go in Oklahoma City to visit some of the groups over there at the Survivors of Homicide, with the police department, and I heard the horror stories of how my son's wife went and sat there with them pretending to be a victim. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: She was a poor widow with five children, sending emails to different churches, different places just to get money. She got all kinds of trips. And I just felt so bad for those victims that were real victims, when she's telling them all these stories, using my grandkids to get more of what she wants because that's what it's all about with her, it's just, "Give me give me give me, let's see what I can get." 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I will never understand how her evil mind and evil heart could do this to somebody that is the father to your children. It's—I apologized to those people at the support group. It wasn't my fault, but I just felt bad that they were used by somebody so evil. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: And it rips my heart out just to see that it was just not my family she's using and ripping apart, but other families that are truly victims. Because yeah, she doesn't have a husband, but that was her choice. Her and her lover had hired two guys to kill my son. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I don't understand why they didn't charge them also. The trial of Blackthorne that hired someone to kill his wife in Florida was going on at the same time as my daughter-in-law's trial. She did the same thing as he did. They hired somebody. On Blackthorne, the guys they hired did kill him. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: On this one, Raúl's trial, the two men that were hired didn't kill him, but her lover did. It's the same plan, the same conspiracy, but yet one gets ninety-nine years. She gets twelve years for conspiracy. And more upsetting, last year in May—well, it was in April, when I got a phone call that they were overturning her conviction. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: And it was not on innocence. It was a technicality. She was charged with murder, found not guilty, they lowered it to conspiracy but they didn't write it down and charge her with a conspiracy. So on May nineteenth last year, she was sent to San Antonio. And I was registered for that VINE program. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: When they called me, she was already in San Antonio. So I mean, it might be a good program, but for myself, it's that when you get a phone call from them five minutes before she walks out the gates, it's not giving me enough time. She was let out. I did go to—when she went before the judge, I went to the prosecutors. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I asked them to retry the case. They said they didn't have enough evidence to redo it because the murderer, DiaSiala, would not testify. I did write him a letter and I asked him to testify. He had gotten a plea bargain when she was sentenced to thirty-five years and he's wanted to know what's in it for him. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I wrote him a letter and told him, Arnulfo Díaz-Ayala and Dianna Boatman-Marin don't even deserve to be scum of the earth. The scum of the earth would be much better than those two individuals when they play God and take somebody's life. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: The District Attorney had told me that I didn't really need to be there, but as a mother, I want to be there. Every time that my son's name is mentioned in court, we have a right to be there. Raul is not there, but I will be. There was not a court date that I did not go. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: It might have taken all my money. I spent everything I had, but I was there. It's just upsetting that they're not going to retry it. She got out May nineteenth. She got to go and be in my grandkids' graduation. It's—that's why I said, it's kind of a family conspiracy. They brainwashed my grandkids. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I spent all of my retirement going to court. Every time I went it was anywhere from three to five thousand dollars. I did get to see my grandkids, but then in 2004 when their grandfather was real sick, he had been in the hospital for three months and when they did find me, I told them that I had two daughters that were taking care of. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: We called Lidell Bates and asked her, the boys' grandfather is very sick in the hospital and we would pay for the boys to come and see their grandfather before he died. She denied us. She would not let them come. He died three weeks later. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: Again, begging her, call up there. Their grandfather died, "Can the boys come and go to the funeral?" and again we were denied. So I called the attorney and I said, "How can they be so cruel not to let their children come to their grandfather's funeral?" that was their dad's father. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: She let me have them for one week after the funeral. I drove to Oklahoma and drove back. That's when they told me that they were not allowed to talk too much about our family and it ripped my heart apart because I don't care what they tell those boys, what they have said to them, my son's blood runs in their veins and it always will be. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I know that the two older ones, they remember their dad, but when they've been brainwashed, and this is my prayer is that one day they will realize and know the truth of what happened because they deserve to know the truth. I know it's going to be hard because it's their mother that had all of this. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: I Googled her name online and find out that she's an evangelist, a preacher, telling her testimony. But what good is going out and talking to people and telling them a testimony that's built on lies? Because when you're out on a technicality, it's way different than being out when you're innocent. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: An innocent person is somebody that was wrongly convicted. A technicality is something that—it's a screw up for the court system. But when you don't have conscience, you don't care. The only thing that bothers me is that a lot of other people are going to be hurt again because when an evil person does things this way there's really not any good in it because looking at my life, they didn't just take Raúl's life, they destroyed a lot of lives. 
  •  MARÍN-EASON: Those boys were without their dad, my daughters without their brother, and I don't have a son. Continuing doing things, if you're a person that has changed, it looks like you would try by telling the truth. And when a person can't tell the truth, all they do is live on lies. Say one lie and cover it up. Say another one, it just gets bigger and bigger. I don't know what this world is going to come to. [END OF TAPE 1] 
 
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Title:Interview with Ruth Marín-Eason
Abstract:Ruth Marín-Eason is the mother of Raúl Marín, who was murdered on August 5, 1998. In the beginning of Video 1, Marín-Eason briefly relates her family and background and then describes the last time she saw her son before he was murdered. Later in Video 1, Marín-Eason describes how Arnulfo Díaz Anaya, an employee of Raúl Marín and his wife, Dianna Boatman-Marín, was about to go on trial for the murder, when Dianna Boatman-Marín was also arrested for her role in the murder. Towards the end of Video 1 and in the beginning of Video 2, Marín-Eason speaks about her experiences in the court room; her perceptions of the criminal justice system; and the roles she believes Dianna Boatman-Marín and Arnulfo Díaz Anaya played in the murder of her son. They were both convicted, but when Boatman's conviction was later overturned, as Marín-Eason explains, the Bexar County prosecutors did not re-prosecute. In Video 2, Marín-Eason relates the pain of being cut off from her grandchildren due to the hostile relationship between herself and Dianna Boatman and discusses her involvement with the organization Parents of Murdered Children. In Video 3, Marín-Eason describes the emotional turmoil associated with losing a son and ends by sharing her outlook on forgiveness. This interview took place on June 20, 2009 in Spring, Harris County, Texas.
Sequence:1 of 3
Creators:
  • Ruth Marin-EasonRole: Narrator
  • Texas After Violence ProjectRole: Collaborator
Contributors:
  • Sabina Hinz-FoleyRole: Interviewer
  • Kimberly Ambrosini-BaconRole: Videographer
  • Victoria RossiRole: Transcriber
  • Lydia CraftsRole: Proofreader
Date Created:2009/06/20
Languages:eng
Geographic Focus:North America--United States--Texas
Geographic Base:North America--United States--Texas--Austin
Type of Resource:Moving image
Genre:Interview
Identifier:tav00024
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