Interview with Ruth Marín-Eason

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  •  laws, justice, and judicial proceedings 
People and Organizations 
  •  Air Force 
  •  Ayala, Arnulfo Diaz 
  •  Boatman, Dianna 
  •  Christine 
  •  Crime Stoppers 
  •  Elizabeth 
  •  Isaiah 
  •  Kahan, Andy 
  •  Ladelle 
  •  Malachi 
  •  Mexican Mafia 
  •  Parents of Murdered Children 
  •  Ram 
  •  Raúl 
  •  Rhoda 
  •  Rhonda 
  •  Samuel 
  •  Saylor, Detective 
  •  Chuck E. Cheese 
  •  Taking Raúl's Children to Oklahoma 
  •  Dianna Boatman's Daughter 
  •  Dianna Boatman After Prison 
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    •  [Tape starts with Ms. Ruth Marin-Eason holding up a photo of Raúl Marin in a military uniform.] HINZ-FOLEY: So this is when he joined the military? 
    •  RUTH MARIN-EASON: This is when Raúl joined the military and he'd been in there for ten years. He was twenty years old, so. 
    •  HINZ-FOLEY: And he was in the military for ten— 
    •  RUTH MARIN-EASON: Proud to be in the Air Force. His job was—he was a linguist in the Air Force. I used to tell him that he was a spy [laughs] because he said he couldn't discuss his job. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: It was internal something. He was in the intelligence squadron, something. And he couldn't even discuss his job with anybody. What happened at the Air Force stayed at the Air Force. Couldn't talk to no one about his job, so. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: But he learned different languages. It was funny when he called me and said that he was taking a, studying to be a linguist and they told him to forget the Spanish that his mom had taught him [laughs]. And he had to learn their Spanish, which is totally different than what I speak. Because my Spanish, if I don't know a word, I'll make one up. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: We speak Spanglish. And I really didn't realize it until Raúl called me and said, "Mom I want you to write down all the words that you have taught me to speak that are not really words." I said, What do you mean they're not words? Those books you're studying are wrong. I know Spanish. I was raised in a Spanish house. Speakin' Spanish, honey. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: But he said, "To start with, we'll start with how do you say, to mail something?" I said, Mail-lealo. He goes, "Mom, it's envialo por correo," and I was like, Oh I've never heard that one before. Another word he made fun of is where to park the car. I said, Ah, parquealo aquí. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: It's not—it's estacionalo and I say parquealo. Another word he mentioned was plugealo. He says, "What's plugealo Mom?" I said, Plug it over there. He says, "No lo enchufas." 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And I was like, Wow that's a new word for me. Here I was fifty years old and didn't know how to say the word. It was fun hearing from him the different words that I made up, but anybody that's a Texan understands me. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: There's people that come from other places like El Salvador and Venezuela and Mexico and stuff that say that's not really Spanish. But to me it is and to a lot of other people. But if it hadn't been that Raúl mentioned it to us, I would have never paid attention that I make so many words up. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: So he had to forget my Spanish and learn their way and he got quite a few recognition on his Spanish, that he spoke different languages. I told him I was very proud of that because his grandfather, my dad, spoke different languages: Arab, Spanish, English, German. So at least one of his grandkids took after him. But this is Raúl. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: [Picks up new photo] This other picture is one of the visits with Raúl's four boys. They had come to visit for a week and we had this picture taken with all of them. This is the oldest, Ram, which is Raúl. And Malachi, Isaiah, and Samuel. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: So I don't get to see my grandkids. I did get to visit with them for a while, up to 2004. So every penny that I spend on attorney fees was worth it to me because at least the boys do know that I love them very much and if I had to do it over again, I'll do it again. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: That little visit, even if it was for a week, they got to know that they do have family here in Houston, in Spring, Texas, and that we love them. And it's not their fault of what happened. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I just feel bad that they never did get to grieve for their dad because they were not allowed to speak about their dad. And that makes it hard, not just for me as a grandparent, but for them not having their dad and then having their mother locked up for what she did. So they missed out on quite a bit. I know Raúl loved his children very much and we love them, too. 
    •  [Puts photo down] 
    •  HINZ-FOLEY: Where were his children when Dianna was locked up? 
    •  RUTH MARIN-EASON: The boys, well Dianna had taken the boys to Oklahoma three weeks before the murder. What we found out is that she had filed rape charges on Raúl with the military, and then she called them back and said it was a lie, she didn't want to go through it. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: So because of her doing that, calling the military, filing rape charges on Raúl, she felt she had to leave, and she took off with my grandkids three weeks before to Oklahoma City with her mother. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: So her lover is the one that drove them to Oklahoma and this all came out in the trial. The murderer, A.D. Ayala, is the one that said he drove them to Oklahoma and he spent three days at her home with Dianna. Then he came back to San Antonio and he brought a six-pack to Raúl's house because he used to work for them. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And had he talked to Raúl, and Raúl had stopped her bank accounts and stuff. So she was in Oklahoma with her family, and he would come and visit just to get information of what was going on. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I was not at the trial, but I have read his confession, everything that he did. Said he brought the six-pack and Raúl drank two beers and he fell asleep. He claims that he contemplated him sleeping for a couple of hours, went to his car and got a crowbar and a change of clothes. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And while Raúl was asleep on the floor, he hit him on the back of the head with a crowbar as hard as he could. He said Raúl tried to stand up. He kept hitting him. In the autopsy, it shows that he hit him over fifty times and then he got a knife and stabbed him seven times. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: The stab wounds went all the way from the back to the front. None of the ones that Raúl received were in the front. Everything was in the back. When they asked him why he stabbed him so many times, he said Raúl didn't want to die. He said he left him there, he went in their bathroom and got cleaned up and left. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: Dianna start calling the neighbors, calling, pretending—she already knew because he said he'd called her that morning and told her. And she had to go with her—pretends that she didn't know what was wrong. She sent one of the neighbors to knock at the door and that nobody answered. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: She called his job claiming that she couldn't get an answer from him when she already knew what had happened. The two boys that were hired to kill Raúl had gone and watched him 'cause he used to go jogging around some church there close to where they live. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: They got scared, they said they didn't think they could do it. So the five hundred dollars that was paid to them, they had a barrio party in San Antonio. So A.D. and Dianna kept discussing about when he was fixing her lawn mower. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: He said the reason they—their password was fixed the lawnmower is because Raúl didn't like to do the lawn and that made it just the perfect codeword for them to use. After he killed him he said he took the knife and the dirty clothes and stuff and took them to a friend and asked him to dispose of it. I have his full confession. He sent it to me and I read it. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: My daughter wrote—I didn't want me to read the autopsy, but I wanted to read it. I just don't understand how anybody could do this to another person. I had to continue being nice and talking to Dianna because they didn't arrest her right away. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: After I got the autopsy and before I got his confession and stuff, I got the autopsy and I asked her if she had read it. She said she didn't want to hear about it. One of my phone conversations that I recorded, I told her, I want you to know how my son died, I said, He hit him fifty times in the back of the head and stabbed him seven times. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I said, You need to read it, and she said she would never read it and she hung up on me. A lot of the conversations were crazy. She always blamed someone else. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: She said the Mexican Mafia had done it. The reason that they—her words—the reason that they destroyed his head the way they did, they hit him so many times, it was because the military wanted to hide what Raúl knew because of his job being with internal, with the intelligence squadron. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: He always said, Raúl always said, that he could not discuss his job with anybody. So, because of the kind of job he did, she made a story that that was the reason they had hit Raúl in the head so much and I told her, in fact I tell her, I said, The military would give him an injection or something. They wouldn't do such an evil job to destroy someone. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: So she blamed the Mexican Mafia, she blamed one of her friends that was in the Mexican Mafia. She always pointed the finger at somebody else. It was never her doing.  I kept on asking and asking until she finally told me, she goes, "Raúl had a girlfriend." 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I said, Who was his girlfriend? She goes, "Christine." Raúl had a girlfriend, Christine, way before he met her. It was nobody that we knew of—that she knew of. She just made up a name. So I continually kept asking questions. She didn't know I was recording. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And I asked her, I said, Well if Raúl had an affair, did you? She wouldn't answer me. She wouldn't answer me. Finally she go, "Yeah, it was one time. One affair." I said, With who? 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And they had already arrested A.D. and she finally said that it was A.D., so that kind of—it was on the recording and it was sent to—I would record a conversation and then send it to the detectives. And they had interviewed him, let him out and they brought him back in again. And they started piecing things together. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: It was not easy because in my heart I felt, she's responsible for my son's death. I had to be nice. I had to go pick up my grandkids in Oklahoma. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: The way her family received me, I would pick 'em up with a court order. My first court order was from Texas. They denied it. They called the cops on me. I had a Texas court order. It was her dad had left the boys by themselves. When I called and I went, they couldn't come to the door. Her father pulls in and says, "You can't have the boys." 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I said I had a court order. He said that's not any good because it's a Texas court order and we're in Oklahoma. So it's when all the hell I've been through started. [PHONE] It—her mother came. She brought the police and everybody. And they told me because it was a Texas court order, I couldn't have the boys. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: So I stayed up there and I looked for an attorney to go with me. I didn't know anybody. By the time I did find an attorney who would represent me, she had already enrolled the boys in school. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: The children had always been home-schooled. They weren't in school. They had never had any shots or anything. How this woman, her mother did this to get them in the schools, I don't understand. But anyway, they sent me back home. I got the attorney finally—I got a court order from Oklahoma that I could get the kids. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: It took awhile. The next time I went, because they were in school, she didn't home-school them because Dianna wasn't in jail at the time, she hadn't been sent to prison yet, they wouldn't have let me have the kids. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: So her attorney and my attorney made a deal that I could see him for one hour. I went to Chuck E. Cheese and she brought the boys there. They were very excited to see me. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I got to see them and enjoyed that one hour. I was very happy that at least I got to see them. Ladelle makes all the boys go get in the car and she comes and puts her hands on my shoulders, like that [gestures] and said, "Dianna didn't kill Raúl. She was with me all that day." And that ruined my day, my whole hour that I had with the kids because we knew that she didn't kill him. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: She had it done for her. So yeah, she was in Oklahoma with her mother all that day. She had an alibi —"I was with her." But that was not what we were saying. She had been planning this murder for three years, according to all the investigations and everything that they did. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: So I felt, I went all the way to Oklahoma, spent one hour with my grandkids to have this woman upset me. It took me almost two hours because I was so upset crying and driving that I circled the loop there several times. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: Finally I stopped at a gas station. There was a police officer there. So I told him my story, how I've been back and forth with trying to get visitation with my grandkids and I guess he felt sorry for me. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: He told me to get behind his car, follow him and he took me around the loop and it was in construction so I guess while I'm crying, I couldn't see the sign that said, "Houston." And he led me out of the town and I finally made it home. So then I did start receiving a court order. I could have the kids. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And the judge said that me and her should work it out, that he didn't want to be seeing me in court every time. So, but every time that I went back with the boys, the way they received me, they'd be waiting outside of the garage and Ladelle's boyfriend or lover or husband or whatever she called him, would be there looking at the watch. I had to be there by six o'clock. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: One time I was just about three minutes late because the boys didn't want to go back. One of the boys had hid at here in Dallas at one of the bathrooms and I couldn't get him to come out. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: He kept telling me not to take him back because they like being in Houston and of course I was driving fast because I wanted to get there by six o'clock and I got stopped by the cops so I showed them my court order. He said, "I need to slow down because it would be better to be late." 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I said, That's all they're waiting for is for me to be late. And he also helped me get through where I was going and I was only three minutes late and the man said, "I'm not going to make a fuss about this, this time, but when it says six o'clock, it means six o'clock." 
    •  MARIN-EASON: That's how I've been treated all this time. It was one thing or another. So yeah, the murder of my son has cost a lot of pain, a lot of hurt. It—sometimes those things come back in my mind and I try not to think about them because it does upset me and it hurts. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: But they're in there—it's something that I will never forget. I'll live with this the rest of my life and my prayer is just that the boys, when they get old enough, they will know the truth because they been living with lies. I think that Dianna will go to her grave lying about what she did. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I did go through some of her stuff one time because when she was on that monitor, she kept saying the police wouldn't let her in the house, but it was a lie. She could have got in there after they did their investigation and had everything clean. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: What I found was a couple of notes that she had made asking God to forgive her for hurting Elizabeth. Elizabeth is her cerebral palsy daughter. She said, "God help me—forgive me for hurting Elizabeth. I can put up with the boys, but Elizabeth's just—" 
    •  MARIN-EASON: We will never know what she did to her daughter because her daughter cannot talk. She's got cerebral palsy. She's in a wheelchair. But reading those notes, I said, How can any mother do something to her child and then ask God to forgive me for what I've done. But she didn't sign her name. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: It was—who else would have a daughter named Elizabeth and the boys? And in her home that this note was—it's—I don't call those people crazy, I call them evil. So they just plot their evil things that they do and some of them get away with it. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: The only thing that keeps me going and I remember the words my mom always said— "You do not leave this world without paying for what you did because we have the ultimate judge and God sees everything we do, everything we say. You cannot hide from Him." 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And someday Dianna will have to pay for what she's done. I might not get to see it. I just hope and pray that I am alive because I'd like to see her pay for what she did. I never understood why twelve years, now it's nothing. I mean eight, seven years and ten months that she served is not enough for the crimes she had committed. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: Yeah, she didn't do it, but she's just as guilty as the one that did kill Raúl. A.D. complained that his boys were having problems now that he's locked up. Look at the lesson he taught them. He said, "A bad apple don't fall too far from the trees. So whatever they reap, they're going to sow." 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And when you're raising kids with just lies and lies and lies, where does it end? So one day they're going to pay for what they've done. While I pray that none of my grandkids turn out to be a murderer like their mother because she might have not done it, but she planned it. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And there's nobody that's going to tell me any different. And I will always, until the day I die, believe that this was a family conspiracy. Her mother and her godmother, her stepdad—all of them knew. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: It could have been stopped. Those two guys that they hired, they could have stopped it, but they chose not to. So the only ones that are paying for this is me. I love my son. She might have not loved him. Why would your husband, the father of your four children killed, is something that I will never understand. 
    •  HINZ-FOLEY: I know you're really involved in Parents of Murdered Children. When did you get involved in that? Was that right after—what was your support like throughout the whole process and what's your involvement with Parents of Murdered Children? 
    •  RUTH MARIN-EASON: I was referred to Parents of Murdered Children by the Detective Saylor in San Antonio when I was recording conversations between me and Diana. I was sending recordings just about three, four times a week. He had so much information and so much to work on and I guess he needed a break and told me that I needed to go to this group and let him work on all the information he already had. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I—my whole family, me and my two daughters went to the first meeting. Right now I have—I love my daughters very much, but I do have one that supports me all the way on what I'm doing and I have another one that we don't agree on certain things. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: The oldest one can write to the murderer and communicate with him, and she thinks I'm wrong by—that A.D. had sent a letter asking for us to sign something that he wants to help other criminals, kind of like, not actually preaching, but doing something for—to help other kids that are in prison and I would not sign it. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I feel that he got thirty-five years in prison for the crime he committed to please his lover, Dianna, and he needs to be there thirty-five years. Dianna should have been in prison for the same amount because she's a planner. But she got away with it and I started going to Parents of Murdered Children. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: My oldest daughter didn't really like the group that much. She felt that we're holding onto, they call it we're obsessed with our murdered child. What I have to say about that is, yeah I might be obsessed. But I have a right to grieve, to hold onto the memories of my son, as long as I want. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: Nobody can tell me it's time to stop. I can grieve, I can cry, I can do what I want, as long as want and when I want. You cannot tell another person how to think, what to believe. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: Now the youngest one, she supports me all the way. After I spent all my money trying to get visitation with the kids—it's all my own, it's all my business. I might not have any money, but I live with my younger daughter and she does support me and I help other Parents of Murdered Children go through the hell that I've been through. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I tell them, I'm not going to lie to you. It's not easy. The court systems is not on our side. There are some that do get justice and it works for them. But I tell them, I'm not going to lie to them. The criminal justice is for the criminals and the victims don't have any rights, so not to expect too much because I'm not going to tell you, Oh yeah, they caught them, it doesn't matter. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: They have Anulfo Ayala in prison for thirty-five years—they might overturn his damn conviction and get him out. Dianna's conviction's out. They overturn it—she's out. So you don't ever know how it's going to turn out. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: So I always tell them, be prepared for the worst. We have had too many people that are in prison. They've overturned their convictions, and waiting for trial, so I said, You don't ever know if they're going to give them more time, or let them out and wipe their hands and say, "We've done our job" —not even thinking of the pain and the hurt that the family feels. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: Because, like the D.A. told me, "I've done my job. She's already served seven years and ten months." I said, What about me? I'm serving a life sentence without my son. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: She's out on a technicality, but they erase her record. In my eyes, she's still a felon. They're going to fool a lot of people because if you look at somebody's record and it does not show a conviction of a crime, how are people going to know that she's a murderer? They're not going to know. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: [Static] So he told me, "Well, she might have repented." The way I look at repentance is when somebody is truly asking God and all the people they hurt for forgiveness, admitting that they have done wrong. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: But when that doesn't happen, then what kind of repentance is that? Continuing with lies, not lying just to herself but to other people and most of all to her children. How can a parent do something so evil and then try to cover it up? She said, "I only went to prison because of a witch hunt." No witch-hunt can put nobody in prison. It's because there was enough evidence to put them there. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I always tell the people in our group, be prepared for the worst. You might think, "Oh yeah, we have a good case." What good is a good case when either the jury is going to find them not guilty or give them probation? We just don't ever know how things are going to turn out. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And people have been sent to prison for—"Oh, it's life in prison." Well life is not life. They consider it forty years. So is that all that our loved one's life was worth, forty years? 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I don't understand the system. To me life would be, you're in prison until you die. Your life's going to finish there. But it's not. They go in for five years and two-and-a-half-years, they're out. I just tell people, Look, wait for the worst and hope for the best. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: Because if I give them a road to follow that it's all rosy, I'd be lying to them. There's a lot of thorns on this journey and having to put up with the justice system is one of the worst, because they feel that the criminals' rights—they didn't read their rights, they didn't do this, they have a right to appeal. What about my son's life? He didn't have a chance to appeal it. Nobody read his rights and told him, "This is the day your life will end." 
    •  MARIN-EASON: Those murderers are the ones that are just saying—they're in their life. They didn't tell them, "Hey, make it right with God, this is it." They just take it into their own hands and they make that choice. So I feel that when they make that choice, they need to pay their price. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: They're very brave when they're over there doing evil and hurting people. But when they get caught, they start hollering, "Oh I'm innocent. I didn't do it. Someone else did." And they need to step up to the plate. If you're so brave, you took it upon yourself to kill somebody then get your punishment. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And I'll always feel that giving them five years, ten years, fifteen years of murder, you kill somebody then I feel that the person needs to die, too, just like they killed them. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And that injection that they give them, that's easy. I feel that when they say they execute them, they give them the lethal injection. It's like me going into surgery. They give me an injection, I fall asleep, I don't know until I wake up that I'm hurting. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: When they give that murderer what he deserved, the punishment that he deserved because it was the jury that gave him that—that needs to—I've never heard one of them coming back and saying, 
    •  MARIN-EASON: "Hey, it hurt when you gave me that shot." Because it's just going to sleep. That's easy punishment. They need to die the way they killed our loved ones. They deserve to die the same way that they take that life. The death that Dianna and Arnulfo deserve is the same death that my son had, beaten in the back of the head and stabbed, just like they did. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: When I went before—she came up that they were going to release her—I was in that court. She would not look me in the eye. She would not even try to see. She had glanced—she didn't like me being there. I was there for Raúl. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And on my interview that I had with the press there with San Antonio, I told them, "One thing that I want her to always remember is the fifty times that my son was beaten in the back of the head and the seven times he was stabbed in the back." 'Cause he was nothing but a coward that killed my son, and she needs to have that in her mind and dream about it, and sleep with it, think about it. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: But I guess it's just too much to ask because when a person has that done, she doesn't have a heart. She doesn't have a conscience. She's this evil piece of scum that's on this earth. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And now I Google her name and she's preaching the Gospel, giving her testimony of how she was locked up for eight years and she's a different person, asking for three-hundred dollars to go give my testimony, "I'll come and preach to your group." 
    •  MARIN-EASON: Is she going to tell them the truth, or she's just going to tell them, "I'm out because I held onto my beliefs." What are her beliefs? That she's still lying to everybody, lying to herself? To me she's still guilty, and she's going to hurt a lot more people because a person like this will not stop. They will continue and continue. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: So I'll just hope and pray that I'm alive when they do catch her again because it's just not going to stop. It will happen again. I just hate to see other people go through the hell and the pain and the hurt that I've gone through and still am going through believing that people change. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: There might be a few that change, but when you're out and still lying and still sticking to your old story, not admitting the truth, it's not changing. You're still the same person that you were when you were locked up. So I just pray that it ends very soon before too many people get hurt. 
    •  HINZ-FOLEY: What helped you personally get through the pain and the hurt—there are things you would do, or how would you get through that time? 
    •  RUTH MARIN-EASON: My days—I do a lot of volunteering. I volunteer with Crime Stoppers here in Houston. I volunteer with Andy Kahan in the mayor's office, victims advocates. I volunteer for Parents of Murdered Children. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I go speak at different colleges and tell them my story. I'm on call, I tell them, twenty-four/seven because sometimes I'll get a phone call, someone that's just lost their loved one. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And I always tell them, We are the only voice that our child has. They might have silenced them, but they haven't silenced us. And that's my advice to any parent that has lost a child. We don't never give up. We will continue and continue fighting for them. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I do a newsletter for our group, so I'm always looking for points or asking the families to send a letter or a poem that they write to their loved one. We publish it, send out about two hundred and fifty newsletters a month. We put them on—I email them also. We have our monthly meeting and just encourage each other to continue. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: We just try to support each other and on Mother's Day, we invite all the moms to go out. This year we went to Rudy's and there was twenty-five of us that got together and we started this five years ago. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: On our first one, we had a mother that her only child had been murdered and another member invited her and she was just so happy that we were all together. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: She said she had not celebrated her Mother's Day since her son had been murdered and it was like fourteen years and somebody in our group invited her and she came over and we made her just feel welcome. I said, That's what our kids would want is for us to keep going. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: It's not easy. It's a journey that nobody deserves to travel. We have to make ourselves do it. We have to make ourselves get out of bed and mingle with the family. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: A lot of times, we just don't lose the loved one that was murdered, but we lose our friends, family.  They get tired of hearing us talk about our loved one. So our group supports each other. We have a national conference once a year where we meet people from all over the United States. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I enjoy going to those conferences because I know that I'm not alone. There's a lot of people out there. We need each other because that's our new family. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: Sometimes our families walk away from us so you didn't just lose a child, you lost your family because we all think differently and not everybody's going to agree with what we're doing, what we're supporting each other. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: I went to a funeral of a friend, her son committed suicide and it's a circle of friends that I hadn't seen for almost seven years, or longer. And one person there knew Raúl when he was little and she asked me, "How's Rhonda, how's Rhoda?" I said they're doing fine. She said, "Well how's Raúl?" 
    •  MARIN-EASON: When I told her that he had been murdered, she kept telling me, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry I asked." I said, No you have made my day because I'm glad somebody else remembers him. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: And I know that a lot of people don't know what to say to you. They think that we'll get offended if we ask. But it's like music to our ears when somebody else besides me thinks about Raúl. I hugged her and told her. I said, I'm just so happy that you remember him because a lot of people don't want to ask. 
    •  MARIN-EASON: So I just encourage other people, don't stray away from your friends, just because they lost someone.  And it's not—it's so different when it's just a natural cause of death to a murder. Nobody is prepared for that. It's just something that happens and it can happen to any one of us. [END OF TAPE TWO] 
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    Title:Interview with Ruth Marín-Eason
    Abstract:Ruth Marín-Eason is the mother of Raúl Marín, who was murdered on August 5, 1998. In the beginning of Video 1, Marín-Eason briefly relates her family and background and then describes the last time she saw her son before he was murdered. Later in Video 1, Marín-Eason describes how Arnulfo Díaz Anaya, an employee of Raúl Marín and his wife, Dianna Boatman-Marín, was about to go on trial for the murder, when Dianna Boatman-Marín was also arrested for her role in the murder. Towards the end of Video 1 and in the beginning of Video 2, Marín-Eason speaks about her experiences in the court room; her perceptions of the criminal justice system; and the roles she believes Dianna Boatman-Marín and Arnulfo Díaz Anaya played in the murder of her son. They were both convicted, but when Boatman's conviction was later overturned, as Marín-Eason explains, the Bexar County prosecutors did not re-prosecute. In Video 2, Marín-Eason relates the pain of being cut off from her grandchildren due to the hostile relationship between herself and Dianna Boatman and discusses her involvement with the organization Parents of Murdered Children. In Video 3, Marín-Eason describes the emotional turmoil associated with losing a son and ends by sharing her outlook on forgiveness. This interview took place on June 20, 2009 in Spring, Harris County, Texas.
    Sequence:2 of 3
    • Ruth Marin-EasonRole: Narrator
    • Texas After Violence ProjectRole: Collaborator
    • Sabina Hinz-FoleyRole: Interviewer
    • Kimberly Ambrosini-BaconRole: Videographer
    • Victoria RossiRole: Transcriber
    • Lydia CraftsRole: Proofreader
    Date Created:2009/06/20
    Geographic Focus:North America--United States--Texas
    Geographic Base:North America--United States--Texas--Austin
    Type of Resource:Moving image
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